鍵盤(pán)俠同樣是擅造犯規的進(jìn)攻殺器但在季后賽巔峰哈登沒(méi)SGA強

近日，有美網(wǎng)友開(kāi)帖發(fā)問(wèn)，同樣是擅造犯規的進(jìn)攻殺器，為何在季后賽亞歷山大比巔峰哈登更穩？

Why is Prime Shai better in the playoffs than Prime James harden? Both of them shoot lots of free throws in the regular season, but Shai’s game translates better in the playoffs than James harden?

為何巔峰期的亞歷山大在季后賽表現優(yōu)于巔峰期的哈登？?jì)扇嗽诔Ｒ庂惗碱l頻通過(guò)罰球得分，但亞歷山大的打法在季后賽中顯得更為穩健。

[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 47 points an hour ago

Shai doesn't run into the 2015-2019 Warriors every year.

猛龍球迷：帖主張口就來(lái)…亞歷山大又不用年年季后賽都碰上2015-2019那幾年的宇宙勇…

[–]Kindly_Letterhead_98[S] 2 points an hour ago

Harden had like 10 points in game 6 shooting 18% vs the spurs in 2017 lol

Edit: Don't know any ELITE star who had such a bad game in the playoffs lol

球迷：哈登在2017年對馬刺的G6好像只拿了10分，命中率18%，哈哈哈…

補充：我真不知道還有哪個(gè)頂級球星在季后賽打出過(guò)這么辣眼睛的比賽，哈哈哈哈…

注：2017年西部半決賽G6，火箭對陣馬刺的比賽，哈登全場(chǎng)11投2中，僅得到10分7助攻，并送出6次失誤，末節0分，最終火箭2-4遭到馬刺淘汰。

[–]dogsh1tmods [score hidden] 36 minutes ago

The GOAT scored 8 points and was outscored by a role player in the finals

球迷：這算什么…我們的GOAT還在總決賽里拿過(guò)8分…得分還沒(méi)個(gè)角色球員高呢…

[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 7 points an hour ago

Harden is def a playoff choker but the competition in the West is not comparable imo. Those Spurs/Warriors teams would dominate the current West

猛龍球迷：哈登確實(shí)是季后賽軟腳蝦，但我認為當時(shí)的西部競爭強度和現在根本不是一個(gè)檔次的存在，那幾年的馬刺和勇士隊能碾壓現在的西部…

[–]Heatfrostfeint3 -3 points an hour ago

It went from "doesn't run into 2015-2019 Warriors every year" to "Those Spurs/Warriors team" lol, like Kobe said, the way Harden plays just doesn't work in the playoffs, he depends way too much on drawing fouls, Shai could still do a lot of things aside from drawing fouls, he's way more consistent compared to Harden

熱火球迷：這話(huà)題怎么從“SGA運氣好不用年年碰上15-19勇士”變成“話(huà)說(shuō)...那些年的馬刺/勇士隊...”了，哈哈哈…就像科比說(shuō)的，哈登那種打法在季后賽行不通的，他太依賴(lài)造犯規了…而SGA除了造犯規還有很多手段，所以他比哈登穩定多了…

[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 3 points 59 minutes ago

The top of the west was stacked with insane teams. Way harder gauntlet than the current west.

猛龍球迷：當年西部強隊如云，想突圍比現在可難太多了…

[–]Thunderchef_iblocka 1 point 55 minutes ago

What is your argument that the Spurs beat the Thunder? I feel like you're arguing based on nostalgia

雷霆球迷：你憑什么說(shuō)當年的馬刺就能贏(yíng)現在的雷霆？我感覺(jué)你完全是憑著(zhù)一腔子情懷在這里激辯…

[–][LAC] James Hardenharden-back 4 points 53 minutes ago

67-15 spurs and 73-9 warriors they had competition

快船球迷：67勝15負的馬刺和73勝9負的勇士，你想象下當年西部那降維般的壓迫感…

[–]Heatfrostfeint3 0 points 51 minutes ago

So that one year, yes？

熱火球迷：你說(shuō)的，就是那一年，是嗎？

注：2015-16賽季，勇士在常規賽打出73勝9負的創(chuàng )歷史戰績(jì)，殺穿西部；而同時(shí)，那賽季的馬刺也不遑多讓?zhuān)孟?7勝15負！

[–]SilverExcellent4679 1 point an hour ago

I mean it's just the truth. Shais game doesn't necessarily translate better. Hes just not facing the 60+ win teams harden was facing like the spurs and warriors of that time

球迷：實(shí)話(huà)實(shí)說(shuō)而已。SGA未必就比哈登穩，他只是沒(méi)像哈登那樣年年遇上馬刺、勇士那種60+勝場(chǎng)的隊伍罷了…

[–]Thunderchef_iblocka -4 points 56 minutes ago

The only warriors team in that range that beats a healthy thunder are the 2017 warriors

雷霆球迷：那幾年的勇士雖然所向披靡，但是能擊敗當今這支完全健康的雷霆隊的，只有2017年那支勇士隊…

[–]RaptorsJwarrior521 7 points 55 minutes ago

Y'all let the championship get to your head if you genuinely believe this

猛龍球迷：你們真信樓上的？拿了個(gè)總冠軍，還真把自己當盤(pán)兒菜了是吧？

[–]LakersIMadeThisOn6-28-2015 2 points 53 minutes ago

Yeah no, they're not beating any of those years. If LeBron could barely do it once on a miracle 3-1 comeback, 2025 OKC sure isn't doing it. Their best chance is that 2015 Warriors.

湖人球迷：當然不信！可拉倒吧！這支雷霆哪一年（2016-2019）的勇士都打不過(guò)！當年詹姆斯拼了老命，才靠1-3奇跡翻盤(pán)贏(yíng)了一次，2025年的雷霆肯定沒(méi)戲！他們最有希望贏(yíng)的可能是2015年那支勇士…

[–]GiddeysDiddyParty [score hidden] 49 minutes ago

they need Kyrie. all-time legendary series from him capped off with the gamewinner

球迷：2016年騎士奪冠全靠歐文！他那輪總決賽的發(fā)揮堪稱(chēng)史詩(shī)級別，用一記三分絕殺，給那次歷史級別的總決賽畫(huà)上句號！

[–]Knicksclownus [score hidden] 47 minutes ago

Okc is very good and Shai is one of the best. But comparing OKC to Cleveland/warriors/spurs from those times is pretty silly. Lebron and curry during those playoff duels was equivalent to having a Jokic on each team.

Then add the 2nd best shooter of all time and dpoy Draymond versus pre-crazy kyrie and Kevin love.

The only team OKC is beating is the kyrie less Cavs. It took LeBron and kyrie having double 40 bombs to beat the Harrison Barnes version.

尼克斯球迷：雷霆確實(shí)很強，SGA也是頂級球員！但拿這支雷霆和當年的騎士/勇士/馬刺比實(shí)在太蠢了…那幾年詹庫的季后賽對決，相當于如今的兩個(gè)約基奇對打，堪稱(chēng)火星撞地球??！

再加上歷史第二射手和DPOY追夢(mèng)，對位的還是（非究極形態(tài)）的歐文和樂(lè )福。

雷霆唯一可能贏(yíng)的就是缺少歐文的騎士…要知道，當年詹歐雙雙砍下40+才將將擊敗了（由哈里森·巴恩斯主導的進(jìn)攻）那支勇士。

[–]Lakerspokerawz 15 points an hour ago

Well firstly, way better roster.

湖人球迷：為什么SGA在季后賽更好？首先，因為（這支雷霆的）陣容好太多了啊…

[–]ThunderExtra_Barracuda4415 -3 points an hour ago

Secondly, better player.

雷霆球迷：其次，（亞歷山大是）更好的球員～

[–]Kindly_Letterhead_98[S] 3 points an hour ago

2018 rockets was an insane roster

帖主：2018火箭的陣容也很牛X啊…

[–]Lakerspokerawz 8 points an hour ago

Great roster and only really lost to one of the best teams of all time.

湖人球迷：當年的火箭陣容很牛逼，而且只不過(guò)是輸給了歷史最強球隊之一而已…

[–]Charlotte BobcatsNotManyBuses 2 points an hour ago

Until it wasn't

山貓隊球迷：到了關(guān)鍵時(shí)刻掉鏈子的時(shí)候，當年的火蜜又會(huì )說(shuō)那套陣容爛…

[–][SEA] Kevin DurantWestleyThe [score hidden] 32 minutes ago

And they were one cold shooting streak away from beating the KD warriors….

That warriors team beats this current thunder team

杜蘭特球迷：要不是他們（火箭）突發(fā)惡疾手感冰涼，差一點(diǎn)就能擊敗擁有KD的勇士了…當年那支勇士隊絕對能打爆現在這支雷霆。

注：2018年的西部決賽搶七大戰，火箭隊主場(chǎng)92-101不敵勇士，全場(chǎng)三分44投僅7中，其中連續27投三分不中，創(chuàng )下NBA季后賽單場(chǎng)三分打鐵記錄。

[–]RocketsTheGargageMan 4 points an hour ago

It is a mystery

火箭球迷：為啥SGA季后賽更好？這是個(gè)未解之謎…

[–]Thanos_SlayerCongSan 4 points 52 minutes ago

Harden had choke so many elimination games in his career, you can easily google that

球迷：哈登在職業(yè)生涯生死戰中掉鏈子的次數太多了，你隨便一搜就知道…

[–]LakersllorTMasterFlex 5 points an hour ago

SGA takes his physical conditioning very seriously. You will never see a fat Shai. Being consistent is not a meme.

湖人球迷：SGA對身體狀態(tài)的管理非常認真，你永遠看不到一個(gè)大腹便便的亞歷山大…保持穩定可不是鬧著(zhù)玩的…

[–]kobbled 2 points 55 minutes ago

watch the warriors-rockets series

球迷：SGA比哈登強？你還是先去看看火箭對勇士的系列賽吧…

[–]lexington59 [score hidden] 38 minutes ago

1 of them is 3 point shot or at the rim attempt or bust player, 1 is a midrange specialist.

3 point shots are notoriously inconsistent, even curry has awful games from 3, and in a 7 game series being heliocentric makes it easier for teams to prep around and key in on the 1 player plus harden has only really had 1 really complete roster even close to the thunders level and that took an extreme cold streak for them to lose with missing over 20 3s in a row.

Whereas sga plays on a stacked team and plays a more drive and kick style, that is a little harder to prep against.

That plus sga is just really fucking elite at driving better than harden has even been and harden in his prime was a good driver, that's how good sga is at driving makes it so you are forced to foul or just kinda force him into a midrange shot (and midrange are much more consistent than 3s at the expense of being less efficient unless you hit an insane rate)

With 3s it's expected to have the occasional 20 percent game followed by a 40, followed by a 33, followed by a 50.

Whereas midrange it's mire 40-50-45-40, ect so it's just easier to have a better baseline and are less prone to bad shooting nights

球迷：一個(gè)（哈登）是，要么投三分要么就是沖擊籃筐，這兩招鮮一不靈就立馬歇菜；另一個(gè)（亞歷山大）是中距離專(zhuān)家。

而三分球是一項出了名不穩定的技能，就連庫里也有三分失準的比賽…而且在七場(chǎng)系列賽中，持球大核打法更容易遭到對手針對性的布防，而且哈登真正擁有的、接近當今雷霆隊水平的完整陣容也就一次（2018年），就那一次他們還因為極端的手感冰涼（連續投丟20多個(gè)三分）才輸掉的…

而SGA所在的球隊陣容深厚，他打的是更多突分風(fēng)格的籃球，這樣的打法就更難針對一些…再加上SGA的突破能力簡(jiǎn)直他媽的是精英級別，比哈登任何時(shí)候都要好（哈登巔峰期突破其實(shí)也不錯的），可見(jiàn)SGA的突破有多強，逼得你只能犯規，或者勉強逼他出手中距離（中距離比三分穩定得多，代價(jià)是效率稍低，除非你準得離譜）。

投三分的話(huà)，可能這場(chǎng)20%，下場(chǎng)40%，再下場(chǎng)33%，再下場(chǎng)50%，起伏大是很正常的…

而中距離更像是40%、50%、45%、40%等等，所以更容易有一個(gè)較好的基礎準頭，更不容易遇到糟糕的手感冰涼之夜…

[–]Humdiddledeedee [score hidden] 31 minutes ago

Well said. Another reason the midrange is an advantage is that it is a lot more reliable to draw fouls there. Especially in the playoffs.

When you're an elite mid-range threat it's a lot easier to get people to bite on pump fakes and use your footwork/midpost game to draw fouls as opposed to hardens tricks for people reaching on his drives / falling down on contested 3s.

球迷：說(shuō)得好！中距離另一個(gè)優(yōu)勢是，更容易造犯規，尤其是在季后賽…

當你是一個(gè)頂級的中距離威脅時(shí)，你更容易用假動(dòng)作點(diǎn)起對手，利用你的腳步和肘位背身技術(shù)來(lái)造犯規，這跟哈登那種靠對手掏他球（的時(shí)候抬手騙犯規）或者投三分時(shí)摔倒的把戲不一樣…

[–]Thunderthetalkinghawk 3 points an hour ago

Shai has been king of the clutch during the playoffs. Any time the game or series was on the line, he did what he needed to do for the team to win. Plus having an incredible team of players bought into their system and culture is HUGE.

雷霆球迷：亞歷山大在季后賽一直是關(guān)鍵先生。每當比賽或系列賽到了生死關(guān)頭，他都能為球隊贏(yíng)球做出該做的貢獻…再加上有一支相信球隊體系和文化的神奇團隊，珠聯(lián)璧合！

[–]gcoles 3 points an hour ago

He gets the calls in the playoffs, and makes his shots. Also has a very good supporting cast

球迷：亞歷山大更穩，是因為他在季后賽能得到哨子，并且能把球投進(jìn)。同時(shí)還有非常好的隊友支持。

[–]Spiritual-Bobcat5635 3 points an hour ago

Prime harden was better on offense, but not enough to close the gap in defense with prime Shai. Going SGA

球迷：巔峰哈登的進(jìn)攻更好，但還不足以彌補他和巔峰亞歷山大在防守端的差距…我選SGA…

[–]Thunderchef_iblocka 2 points 57 minutes ago

Shai is an elite tough shot maker which translates well to the playoffs.

雷霆球迷：亞歷山大是一個(gè)非常擅長(cháng)高難度投籃的精英級別射手，這點(diǎn)在季后賽很吃得開(kāi)…

[–]HornetsRelativeHand4753 1 point an hour ago

Straight. Threes.

黃蜂球迷：說(shuō)直白點(diǎn)…三分球害死人！

[–]PelicansAHSfav [score hidden] 22 minutes ago

Mostly referees

鵜鶘球迷：亞歷山大主要還是靠裁判啊…

[–]Heatfrostfeint3 1 point an hour ago

The only similar playstyle they have is drawing fouls. Shai does a lot more than Harden and doesn't solely relies on shooting free throws. Like Kobe said, Harden playstyle does not work in the playoffs, and it shows.

Now, in Hardens defense, James Harden was basically the Rockets offense, once his offense does not work, it's hard for them to win because then they went from Harden Basketball to just throw it to someone hot and hope it works. It's very similar to the early days of Tatum Celtics. SGA has JDub as his second option, and the whole team is defensive minded including SGA. Harden is great in the post in defense but other than, he's a traffic cone, there's really not much he can do because he spends way more energy trying to score, that combine with his conditioning.. it's just a recipe for disaster. He gets lazy and shut down.

熱火球迷：他倆唯一相似的打法就是造犯規…但是SGA比哈登做的事情要多得多，他不僅僅依賴(lài)罰球…就像科比說(shuō)的，哈登的打法在季后賽行不通，事實(shí)也證明了這一點(diǎn)…

同時(shí)也為哈登說(shuō)句公道話(huà)，他當年基本上就是火箭的整個(gè)進(jìn)攻體系，一旦他的進(jìn)攻失靈，球隊就很難贏(yíng)球，因為到了那時(shí)，球隊戰術(shù)就從“哈登戰術(shù)體系”變成“誰(shuí)手熱誰(shuí)來(lái)”了，這和早期塔圖姆的凱爾特人很像…SGA有杰倫·威廉姆斯作為二當家，而且全隊包括SGA自己都是防守型球員。哈登的低位防守不錯，但除此之外就是個(gè)馬路樁子，他實(shí)在做不了太多，因為他把更多精力花在進(jìn)攻上，再加上他的體能狀況…簡(jiǎn)直就是災難…他一累會(huì )變得懶惰然后徹底熄火…

[–]Own_Elk_543 [score hidden] 42 minutes ago

Did you even watch Harden???? Dude was a multiple time assist leader and just all around offensive engine. Also why do you keep quoting Kobe? Kobe struggled in the playoffs too after Shaq left and people said the exact same thing about his play style and then the lakers got him better teammates and all of sudden the play style stuff didn't matter. Prime Harden pretty much exclusively lost to the Warriors in the playoffs and in every matchup they had the better team.

球迷：你到底看過(guò)哈登打球嗎？？？這家伙拿過(guò)好幾次助攻王，是個(gè)全能的進(jìn)攻發(fā)動(dòng)機！還有你為什么老是引用科比？科比在奧尼爾離開(kāi)后季后賽也掙扎過(guò)，人們也說(shuō)過(guò)同樣詬病他打法的話(huà)，然后湖人給他找了更好的隊友，然后突然他的打法問(wèn)題就不重要了…巔峰哈登在季后賽幾乎只輸給過(guò)勇士，而且每次對決，勇士都是更強的那支球隊…

[–]Heatfrostfeint3 [score hidden] 36 minutes ago

Did you read anything I just said? Stop spending your time defending him so much and read what I just said. Lakers played Kobe basketball until they got better teammates. Rockets played Harden basketball even when they did not work. Isn't obvious once CP3 went down, they lost in game 7?

It's just dumb that the Harden fans always tries to defend Harden with "well he got unlucky, went against Warriors dynasty". Brother, at this point, Hardens legacy is basically losing against the Warriors. LOSING. Harden fans really should try harder defending their player like he won MVP against LeBron James. Maybe you should praise him as one of the best offensive engine of all time, but it just doesn't work in the playoffs. Both can be right. SGA is just a better player compared to Harden because he played both side, so when his offense doesn't work, at least he has defense. What the fuck does Harden do when his offense doesn't work? Miss 27 straight 3 points?

熱火球迷：你到底有沒(méi)有讀我剛才說(shuō)的話(huà)??？別光想著(zhù)替哈登辯護，先好好讀讀我說(shuō)了什么啊…湖人在陣容改善之前，迫不得已才打科比籃球的（科比作為持球大核），而反觀(guān)火箭，他們是硬來(lái)啊，不管效果好不好，總是哈登作為持球大核，而且保羅一受傷他們就在G7輸了，這還不明顯（哈登持球大核打法在季后賽不行）嗎？

哈登球迷總是用“他運氣不好，碰上了勇士王朝”來(lái)辯護，這太蠢了…兄弟，到了如今這個(gè)地步，哈登的名聲基本上就被貼上“輸給勇士”的標簽了…是個(gè)輸家，懂？哈登球迷真的應該拿一些更有力的證據為他辯護才行！比如，哈登可是從詹姆斯手里搶到MVP的那個(gè)人??！也許稱(chēng)贊他是史上最好的進(jìn)攻發(fā)動(dòng)機之一，確實(shí)沒(méi)什么問(wèn)題，但這他在季后賽就是行不通啊，這兩點(diǎn)并不沖突…SGA就是比哈登更好的球員，因為他攻防一體，所以當他的進(jìn)攻不靈時(shí)，至少還有防守。反觀(guān)哈登，他進(jìn)攻不靈時(shí)在他么干嘛呢？連續投丟27個(gè)三分嗎？

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